Ray McGovern: Russlands und Irans Reaktion auf den Fall von Assad

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hi everybody today is Wednesday December 11th and our friend Ray MCG is back with

us welcome back Ray thank you neo Ray let’s start with what’s going on

right now in Syria we’ve learned as we talk that HTS ha Alam said the tomb of former

president hael Assad on fire and they burn his coffin on this street they’re

talking about they’re asking people to talk about their faith their religion they have to answer them and they’re

killing people they have started killing Ordinary People and on the other hand in

the west we are witnessing that they’re trying to zenify this

new zenify I like that very much yeah how how do you find the situation

Ray well NE it’s quite extraordinary uh you may know that I

have this U this briefing of the president Robert Sher uh every week and

uh this past episode was just three hours after the president the real one

appeared in the Roosevelt room started talk about the good news that bashad has fallen and that this new

group we have to watch him of course course but then you know it’s going to be you know by implication terrific

Improvement oh well watch him okay well briefing the other president Robert Sher

three hours later I said Mr President you got a problem here what’s that well

um this fellow we used to call a terrorist actually we still call him a

terrorist this guy joani who you said now you’re going to give Millions to and uh matter of fact uh I don’t think Tony

blinkin thought to take them off the rewards for terrorist list uh they’re

offering the state department is 10 million for this guy so um and the fox president Shar say why

says yeah I he say when did you check the list I said 10 minutes ago he says

well I said well I know that that blinkin was probably busy preparing a

remarks for just 3 hours ago in the Roso room I want to talk about that too because

there were several things you should know that were not quite true in those remarks but for the for the nuns you

really have to realize that get this guy off the terrorist list if you’re going to deal with him or your your caution

that somebody inserted in your remarks there in the rort room is completely

well warranted this guy is a head chopper now neemo I want on a slightly

uh lighter main although true enough I have some Christian Zionist friends okay

and they were so rejoicing about Assad’s removal and

rani’s appearance as the head of Syria for all intents and purposes to the degree he is and they said you know this

is amazing it’s as though he yeah it’s as though he fell to the ground on his

way to Damascus and he heard a voice Jani

jolani you’re not Jani any you are not Al-Qaeda anymore you are not anymore we

give you three initials and nobody will be able to pronounce or understand

NS NTS and so you’re in you’re in wow can you imagine that they said to

me said you’re kidding no he had a conversion on the road to Damascus right

well I can’t just see that you’re a Believer well I can’t see it I’m sorry I’m also an intelligent analist we just

have to see how many heads get chopped off now uh it’s a weird weird situation

I mean we have a we have an expression here in America it’s a can of worms okay

now with no disrespect to worms uh the situation in Syria in

particular ever since um ever since the West tried to exploit what began as a as

a legitimate protest by Syrian citizens against the indignities of the Bashar Al Assad regime that was 2011 okay well

then we went in big time and as I think I mentioned on this program before we

armed and supplied and trained moderate terrorist um not we

don’t say ter moderate Rebels okay sounds a little bit because we were Rebels once two and a half centuries ago

so moderate Rebels we invested at 1.500 million dollars in trading what

we’d hope be thousands and it turned out that uh the headed sencom at the time

General General Lloyd Austin had to testify before Congress that what was

the results of all that for the half billion dollars well we we have we

have we have moderate Rebels still in the fight how many four or

five anyhow however embarrassed they were they didn’t stop you had the agency

training rebels in one part of Syria you had the Pentagon training moderate

rebels in the other part of Syria and now we have a situation where

turkey in my view has gone way way farther than it needed to it inherits a

mess here who is jolani going to deal with well I don’t know I don’t know if

even even the Biden regime will be willing to deal with them as we see you

know initially we had the we had CNN and we it was almost as though they

decided to sheep dip an intelligent term all right sheep dipani put lipstick on

this pardon the expression Pig and present him as the savior of Syria now

the big winner here of course is Israel that’s what this is all about now

turkey expected to be the big winner they going it’s a can of worms for turkey there’s some like five five

million Syrian refugees in Turkey are they going to get them back or push them

back or are they going to try to take over part of Northern I don’t Northern Syria I don’t know but Israel is the big

winner and Israel now is crowing about bombing the hell out of the rest of Syria leaving no military infrastructure

and actually creating more than

aan more than just a buffer zone now now they’re into Syria why are they in there

well as area as Israel and the US explained

quite quite logically Israel has the right to defend itself and when there’s

a threat on its borders from some foreign country well Israel must go in

there not only sees the Golan Heights which by all international law belongs

to Syria but now they’ve gone into Syria proper can’t you understand they need to defend themselves well you know

comparisons are invidious but you know when NATO was setting up in Ukraine the

infrastructure was there when they spent eight years training and equipping an

Army in Ukraine that was second to none in Western Europe uh the Russians got a

little worried uh did not the Russians have the right to defend themselves I mean nobody

likes invading other countries but and just saying that it’s more than a rhetorical Point here it’s a it’s a

reality if you are a powerful country and you feel a threat from another

country first of all try to deal with them try to create a treaty or something if you’re Russia and you when you turn

down in the final analysis a great power will do what’s necessary to defend

itself okay the analogy is imperfect but the rhetoric is very very opposite and

uh we can go back to uh we can go back to kosova we can go back to all kind

kind of precedents where there’s one set of rules for the Western powers and for our intelligence services and there’s

another set of rules for Israel and for the United States um what else to say

about we we ought to talk about how the Russians are treating this but I don’t want to go on endlessly Nema you may

have other questions R do you think that right now in Syria Al joani he his his real name

is something else I don’t remember his real name but his his second name is

Alani he’s talking about that the main enemy we are not interested in war and

the main enemy is Iran and Hezbollah right now none of these two parties is

in Syria right now Israel is attacking Syria and do you see any sort of

reaction on their part against Israel

well Iran has taken a real blow here um it has been a major sponsor of

Hezbollah and uh now it’s really really hard for Iran to get arms weapons and

other supplies into his buah in southern Lebanon that’s a real problem uh this is

all very very carefully etched out by Netanyahu and his Western allies us and

UK so yeah there’s no gain seeeing the fact that Iran has suffered a major

blow now uh what have they said about it not too much um most people who know

about Iran and know about the history of whether or not they would decide to

create a nuclear weapon you know a nuclear weapon now use all that uh all

that refined uranium to put into a weapon okay which they’ve resisted doing

since 2003 if my subtraction is right that’s

21 years right that’s when the US intelligence agencies decided and said

unanimously that you Iran had stopped working on a nuclear weapon at the end

of 2003 now you know what happened in the beginning of 2003 it’s not part to put

two and two together and for the Iranians to decide look there’s no real

purpose in us doing that at this time because they’ll find out about it and that will give Israel a pretext to go

after us now will the Iranians change their tune now um there’s a lot of

pressure against pizan the new new head of Iran he’s been reaching out to the

West now for for for as a long as he’s been in power year two years I think

okay he’s been saying look fellas or as as L would say hey

guys hey guys look um let’s deal with the West the sanctions are killing us

let’s see if we can make one last chance to get rid of the sanctions to reassure

the West that that we‘ have we meet you know we resent Israel what it’s doing

but we have no beef with with the United St we have no weapons that can possibly

reach the United States proper so let’s make a last try well didn’t work he was

rebuffed and that’s clear it’s on the record okay so what about all these backbiters that pan so far has been able

to fend off what about these guys say what are you crazy Israelis are GNA we’re next for God’s sake the only

deterrent that works is the one that Korea had okay now remember North Korea

was an AIS of terrorism but they didn’t get invaded they didn’t get attacked why because they had a nuclear weapon come

on you guys the end with the fatwa the religious fantasy that we can defend

ourselves and again every right every nation has its right to defend itself

right we have to go to a nuclear weapon a lot of my friends think that’s almost inevitable now I still have my doubts

because I think there’s more more to a uh an edict you know this fatwa I

think Iran’s religious leaders take that very seriously and um I could think that

they also would worry that as soon as they started developing a nuclear weapon

United States and the UN would find out about it that day okay and if that happened

what would be the Temptation for Israel and its friends namely the United States

to preempt to demonstrate that Iran was on the verge of a nuclear weapon and

they could do that the intelligence is damn good on this okay and then say Oh we have to preempt this and much of the

word much of the world would be persuaded that after all Israel has a

right to defend itself right and whoa nuclear weapon well so I think that’s another incentive for the Iranian rulers

to willy-nilly go down a path that they have resisted so far it’s um you know

it’s just a guess on my part but I think the past would dictate that they’d be very prudent and uh you know if they

have Hypersonic missiles if as they have demonstrated on

the ground they can destroy parts of Israel you know well I think in this day

and age Iran too has a deterrent okay it’s not a nuclear deterrent but as we

have learned these missiles that go at several times the speed of sound uh are

in themselves Unstoppable not able to be defended

against and as I say Israel has already hit targets I’m sorry Iran has already

hit Targets in Israel to demonstrate precisely that even though the Western press is sort of glossed over that fact

it’s reality and reality is what we try to deal with here Ray how do you find the leadership

in Iran and Russia how do they feel about turkey right

now well uh let’s face it the Turks double

crossed uh the the Russians and Iran

they have this aana process well established where they talk to each other the big thing about talking to

each other is no surprises huh uh we not may not be allies but we have a common

interest in a measure of stability and in Syria so no surprises okay well

surprise surprise erdogan felt for some reason that he could surprise everybody

now I think he’s overextended I don’t know what his staying power is and I don’t know you

know how much he thinks he’s in control of these Rebels you call moderate or

immoderate head chopping Rebels I doubt that he has the kind of control that he would wish for so everything’s a a can

of worms again you know when I say this I’ve been at this for you mean in

the Middle East my my expertise is mostly Russian but I’ve been watching

this situation in Middle East since Iraq uh but when when the Russians came in

okay now that was a a benchmark that was a ainal step why because up until then

the attitude of the United States was look we can do what we want we can do

what we want to Iraq we can do what we want to Libya and to Syria and the

Russians won’t stop us that exactly what Paul W Wolowitz said right after the big

victory in Gulf War I early 1991

well uh when it looked like our moderate rebels in in conjunction with other

forces were about to depose bash Assad in Damascus the

Russians looked at the lay of the land and said this would not be good for us uh Bashar Al Assad is not our he’s not

our Ally but he’s a close friend we have certain bases there uh let’s let’s see

what we can do and what happened was it was the 29th of

September uh 2015 they were at the UN okay Putin was

there and um and he said to the Americans look um that was Obama okay he

he said look uh we’re going to go into Syria with our Armed Forces we have a

terrific Air Force perhaps you know uh we’re going to go in there and make sure

that you guys who are at this illicit underhanded war against bash Assad that

you don’t win okay so we don’t want any trouble okay we don’t want any trouble

so what Putin said to Obama is look we’re going to be flying aircraft

you’re going to be flying air C over Syria for God’s sake we don’t want the

kind of trouble that would come if one of us shut down the other okay so please

have Sergey lavro talk with uh John kery

at the time uh please Mr Obama ask John kery to get in touch with my foreign

minister says Putin lavaro and work on this thing try to get a ceasefire here

where the Rebels don’t overwhelm basa that is our interest and Mr President uh

the old has gone out the new is here this time we can prevent you from doing

this and we’re Hellbound intended to do that now Obama for whatever he was he

was a sensible person right and he said well all right John Kerry get together

with Sergey lavaro see what you can do now this is where the can of worms comes

in they worked for 11 months okay 11 months then in the fall if I recall

correctly of 2016 uh they had an agreement a

ceasefire and they went to Putin and they went to um Obama and they got their

explicit Chop on that they got the expensive blessing of this ceasefire it

went into effect 5 days after it went into effect the

American Air Force bombed the hell of Syrian fixed Syrian infantry positions

killed almost a 100 people wounded another 100 fixed Syrian position that

have been there forever okay not forever but at least a year okay end of

ceasefire wow now um it was clear that what Kerrie and Obama said didn’t matter

to the Pentagon they went ahead did this anyway and Carrie admitted that later he

said you know not everyone agreed with this you know it was Obama and Me

Against well he didn’t say the Pentagon but said other forces very clear what happened okay so what happens point of

my my can of worms thing is um Carrie down mou gets on a plane comes back to

Washington first thing Steve Clemens a very very articulate really smart

interviewer gets him to come before the Atlantic council meeting now I was there

you know me and a thousand other but I was there okay because I heard he was

coming and this is what he said this is worth worth reflecting on

because it has to do with how how you align that’s the word how you align uh

can of worms okay

uh Steve Clemens asks him uh what happened here with the ceasefire it was

agreed to by Putin and and Obama and all what happened well rather than explain

to Steve Clemens right then well we were ambushed by our own military and that’s

a bad thing because there’s a lack of trust between puin and you and Obama of

course so so here’s secretary kry he says you know I have to say this is just two sentences so bear with me carry

quote I have to say that Syria is as complicated as anything I’ve ever seen

in public life in the sense that there were probably six Wars or so going on at

the same time kurd against kurd kurd against turkey Saudi Arabia Iran Sun Shia everybody against Isel people

against Assad dusra this is as mixed up sectarian Civil War and strategic and

proxy so it’s very very difficult get this Nema it’s very very difficult to be

able to align all those forces now Steve Clemens says well in

the middle of all that secretary Carrie why did you think you could get a cease

fire secretary Carrie silence

well the answer was because we thought we could align all these forces well you

it may be after World War II or World War I here you could align forces but

you can’t do that anymore okay and part of the fly and the ointment of course is these moderate Rebels that we’ve armed

to the teeth and trained and now are in play now big big thing of course in my

view is not only eran’s dilemma I was going to get out of this but Israel

where is it going to stop if Eran is overstretched I mean God where is Israel

think it’s going to stop it’s not going to be able to take over all of Syria I don’t think but they’ll try I think you

know the other thing that we haven’t discussed yet is the Russians

now uh I listened to Alexander murus last night and he has a special sour

course within the vagna group there that works with the Russia The Unofficial

group that does milit paramilitary stuff of the they would they’ve always been in

Syria big time okay has a source there is unabashedly admitted that yeah this

is his firsthand experience and in the first day or two of this attack by oani and all the other

folks that came down from turkey and came all otherwise from from Israel and other places say well um the vagna

reinforced itself they sent more reinforcements from Damascus and they were ready to you know protect they were

ready to you know to get in the freight and there were mobilizations of in the

in that air Airfield Russians have in Syria and you know precautions taken by

the Navy in lakia so so what happened well according to Marcus’s Source uh the

Syria Army decided to retreat and as soon as that word got back to Moscow you

know I could see it happening okay are we going to be able to align all these

forces not really Mr President Putin well are we going to be able to come in

with two feet and reverse it with a Syrian Army that’s

retreating we don’t think so Mr President what are our options

La what do you think well the Americans have this expression playing poker when to hold

them and when to fold them we need to fold them Mr President we don’t want to

make a Vietnam type mistake and get embroiled in something we’re already embroiled in Ukraine let’s get the hell

out of Syria or at least prepare to to show the new Syrian government or

whatever that we’re we’re we’re ready to leave if you ask us to leave my own guess is that

they’d be ready to stay if they were asked to stay those are very important bases but they’re not indispensable for

God’s sake I mean the big thing is the the big thing is the Russians have a

okay we’ve been talking about Miracle weapons all all during Ukraine but this is one okay they’ve demonstrated it and

uh you know as long as they have these weapons and as long as they have the range that they apparently do and the

destructive capacity that they apparently do without causing a nuclear fallout or anything like that they’re

writing high this is a new strategic equation this too is a lional event it

changes the rules of the game so I can say that that’s in the background of these the

Ray can you hear

me yeah Ray we’ve lost you I don’t know if you hear me right now

yeah I can hear you now uh let me see if I yeah something to do with my power I

think let me see if I can get back up here okay or I can I can keep talking while

if you can see me can you see me I no your your your picture is not working

it’s not it’s just Freez here okay well let me see if I can do something here to

get this thing back up but we can hear you you can okay okay well I’ll I’ll

just continue I was talking about yeah we’ve lost your voice as

well we cannot hear you right now

Ray yeah right now we don’t have your we have your picture but we don’t have your

picture and your voice

can you hear me Ray right

now yeah it seems that it’s going to be back in a

minute yeah let me check it out

if

yeah ra back I’m sorry Nema um I uh I thought I

had plugged this power cord in and I did but for some reason I ran out of power but we’re good now I think yeah we’re

good oh my hair my hair’s a [Laughter] mess okay so let me just say what I was

trying to say before is the oresnik is a game changer okay I may have said this

before but you know I didn’t I never learned how to play chess okay I was not

as smart as all the Jewish kids in my neighborhood who really good chess I played Checkers and was not very good at

that but I have learned about Chess okay I learned about Checkmate okay Checkmate

is when you don’t have any good moves Checkmate is when you have lost okay now

Checkmate is what arnik does to the situation in Ukraine and in many other

situations to include Syria I mean it’s usable okay it’s been demonstrated sure

it’s only a test stage but the test was as Putin said successful okay so with

that in the back of their minds as the Kremlin leaders uh do do their

conferring and that’s always kind of well we got this uh we got this Ace in the Hole okay and uh you know we’ve got

this Checkmate and the other thing I was going to say about Checkmate another thing I learned about Chess is that when you’re

checkmated when you have no good moves there’s a sort of there’s a sort of

etiquette in chess where you concede where you remove where you depart gently

okay now I hope against hope that the West

will be able to realize that they’re checkmated and that they follow in similar fashion um the etiquette in

chess where you you remove yourself or at least you don’t threaten because what

worries me especially in these next seven weeks when blinkin and Sullivan are still in charge they don’t get it

okay it doesn’t matter what I say I think that Putin and his generals and

his Admirals think and this is important that that blink and Sullivan still don’t

get it okay what do I mean well for deterrence you have to

look at each party of this two thing

here okay so what do we think the Russians are trying to do what do the

Russian rans think we’re trying to do and what the Russians think we’re trying

to do depends on their impression of blinkin and Sullivan pure and simple

okay so it’s their impression of what we think that is Blink and suivant think

the Russians are prepared to do and they’re saying ah it’s just a bunch of bluff Bluff you know Bluff now I want to

I want to make sure that Blake and Sullivan see the photographs now they of

course have the satellite photography of this place in dio that was you that the

arnik was used against so all I’m saying here is that even though puin and his

people can say well now I’ve got him checkmated it’s not Checkmate if the

other party doesn’t realize it’s Checkmate and so I believe that they will be on higher alert strategically

for these next seven weeks I just hope that their their militaries are sort of

in touch one with the other and there is some hope in that and let me finish this bons about the arnik with

this uh it was on the 21st of November that uh Putin warned look um don’t don’t

even think of uh firing attacks or storm Shadows or scalp missiles into Russia

proper okay the 21st of November 23rd of November Storm Shadow attacks go into

Russia proper we affect from our nose to Putin

25th of November two days later more longer range us UK I think French

missiles go into Russia proper so 21st

is is the warning 23rd 25th the warning disregarded this so what happens on the

27th on the 27th um what’s his name the the the Russian

Chief of Staff um get his name right now I keep wanting to say akv but that was decades

ago in any case he calls up General Brown who’s chair of The Joint Chiefs of Staff I think I

have that somewhere uh and so he says look I’m calling you exstensively

ostensively because we’re starting major exercises in the Mediterranean and I

just want you to know that there are areas that you should keep your naval ships out because we’re doing doing

these exercises but the real reason I’m calling you are you listening General Brown yeah I’m listening all right no

more strikes against Russia the next one you saw one arnik you might see some

more cuz we got some more already already built all tests but the tests have been successful remember take a

look at nepro and what happened to that factory so no more okay no more you get

that uh you’re a military man you know from the satellite photos that you already seen about the nipro what

happened no more wow that was the 27th of

November what’s today today is the 11th of December so wow two weeks and no

attacks and no storm shadows and no scalps and the Germans have of course

continued to insist they’re not going to let their towers missiles be used in that capacity now H is this a big big

deal I hope it is but it’s a nice indication that somebody is listening to

the Russians somebody is indeed in touch with the Russians and uh that uh the the

appropriate conclusions are being are being drawn by our military now remember

our military did Prevail over Biden and blinkin and Sullivan back in September

when when uh Biden disapproved the use of the longer range strikes okay I don’t

know what changed his mind but now we have the military coming up now I think

General Brown is smart enough to say look um we not we may not want to admit

this but the arnik cannot be defended against it‘ be real embarrassing if we

shut a couple of storm shads or attack comes into K to hit virtually nothing

and we came back and lost another major Factory in Ukraine and that is another

key point when Putin said what he what he said on this situation most recently

he said look uh there will be more Targets in Ukraine okay so I think that

was very deliberate to reassure people that the targets are not going to be in NATO countries okay in airfields in

Romania or Poland they’re going to be in Ukraine and as we all know there are

several lucrative Targets in Ukraine to include decision making C

enumerated uh by puin himself so I hope

there that’s enough to indicate that the military has finally said look uh this

is Checkmate uh we don’t want to we don’t want more sites in Ukraine to go

the way of nepro and so let’s hold off let’s let’s hope that’s the case um and

with respect to negotiations um it’s very clear what the what the Russian terms are uh Putin has

set them down in a major address to the foreign Ministry in June of this year no

NATO right no membership in NATO uh get getting all Ukrainian forces out of the

four provinces the four oblasts that Russia now claims as part of Russia

proper and you know Lov was asked about sanctions because Putin has mentioned

sanctions and what he told Tucker cron he says well you know

sanctions we found a way around sanctions I’m paraphrasing of course Lov

you know sanctions have almost been a good thing for us uh you know what autarchy is Tucker uh it means you rely

on your own devices and your own friends we got lots of friends and we got lots

of devices so sanctions they’re hurting

but they’re hurting mostly your allies okay uh not hurt us we learn to cope

with them so yeah we‘ like them lifted but in effect Le is say that’s not a

precondition for God’s sake a precondition is to sit down and make sure number one no NATO for Ukraine

that’s that’s not a bargaining chip that’s the reality that’s how this whole

thing went down the last thing I’ll say on that is this is not just me saying that you know in a Mal appropriate uh

comment that uh Yen stoltenberg made before the European Parliament on the

7th of September last year uh he said I just want to remind people I think I’ve

said this before but it’s really important he was so proud because he got Finland and he got Sweden into NATO you

know talk about NATO enlargement so he said and I quote Russia came to us and said no

Ukraine in NATO okay we are against NATO

enlargement if you keep trying to get Ukraine in

NATO we will have to invade Ukraine he said that we said no and so

he invaded Ukraine but meanwhile we got pH and we got Sweden and so we got en with

anyway the guy is office you know office Crocker I mean this is after what we

think a half a half billion like 500 million Ukrainian

Soldiers the dead okay uh maybe 100,000 Russians dead and of course as you know

uh just six weeks weeks after the beginning of the war namely in April of

2022 Boris Johnson speaking for himself from the UK and the US no doubt spiked

what was to be a deal which included of course first and foremost no Ukraine and

NATO so uh what’s going to happen now well I think the Russians are really

really being specific right now I’m sure that they’re talking to some of the of

the of Trump’s folks and I hope they’re getting the message because there are

some some places there is some leeway there uh you know I just say this once

more time if if the Russians were going to wanting to take over all the Ukraine

that would be one thing if they wanted to take Poland and the Baltic state that would be even worse but they don’t want

to do that I mean talk about G of worms uh talk about

overextension they don’t want to fight a counterinsurgency against Western Ukraine where they’re hated so they

they’re they’re prepared and they have demonstrated that they are prepared to have half a loaf that is half of Ukraine

not even half just the stuff that they need to that they have a right to defend

themselves you know okay who come full circle so will they stop of course

they’ll stop but they won’t stop stop until they have uh banished what remains

of the Ukrainian Army from those four provinces and it looks like just a

matter of weeks before that happens and so Trump I think will be be faced with a

deal where he has some flexibility but not much and the non-negotiable thing is

no Ukraine in NATO Ray Washington Post supported that

Ukrainian intelligence has sent about 20 experienced drone operators and about

50 drones FPE drones to EDB and we know

they have been helping these jihadists these tfues

inab to attack and it seems that the main goal was to just destroy Russ a

Russian a logistic Hub logistical hub for Russia operations in

Africa there there they’ve been in Africa fighting Russians and right now

in the Middle East and overall when you look at just you look at the bigger

picture of what’s going on in the world it seems that the conflict in Ukraine is

just expanding and from what we’ve seen so far from trump it doesn’t seem that he

has any sort of clue of what’s going on and he wants to just hum humiliate Russia they have been defeated in Syria

they have lost more than 600,000 soldiers Which is far from

reality from what has happened in Ukraine how do you see the future of

this two these two conflicts that in my opinion are totally connected with each

other well there is bad news and good news the bad news is these exaggerated

statistics that Trump was talking about 600,000 Russians uh being killed in uh

in Ukraine the good news is that he has disdain for

zinski I mean that was very clear in Paris when they went in the Notre Dame

uh reopening and uh he didn’t give seninsky the time of day so that’s big you know I

gone of the days when zinsky could come and speak to both houses of Congress for

God’s sake and get Pelosi and the others to sign a flag that was just about to fall in

parts of of Ukraine that were were under Fire so zalinski uh well he gave his own

figures didn’t he and Trump trump uh gave different figures I

think you know it’s it’s not a matter of mistake here when a a president of a

country gives certain figures and the another president of a bigger country gives different figures that means that

the latter is dissing the former so I think with this

disdain for uh for zalinski and in my view it’s welld

deserved uh and I and with this new team now General Kellogg and Fred flights who

wrote a sensible set of circumstances set sensible approach to this thing it’s

not going to work to defer Ukraine’s membership in NATO for 10 years or 20

years that’s not going to work but it’s bargaining for God’s sake how about 50 years you never know come out of this if

there’s a will to put a stop to this damn thing and I think Trump wants to put a stop to these things now if he’s a

dealmaker if he knows how to deal and he KN he knows he’s got a losing hand

he can reverse what Biden and his troops are trying to do and what they’re trying to do is blame it all on the incoming

president when inevitably Ukraine takes it on the chin definitively loses in in

this war so Trump could turn that around you know he can demonstrate look you know uh

this is what happened before my watch I’m just doing the cleanup like the circus guy you know after the elephants

okay and I’m going to turn my attention to real important things like China and

God help us the Middle East now I say God help us because he’s

surrounded crazi in my view uh I can’t how it can get worse

than Biden but things have gotten worse without and they could get worse in the

past yeah thank you so much Ray for being

with us today you’re most welcome Nemo always a pleasure pleasure as always

Lieber JH

Von diesem Youtube hätte ich gern die englische und deutsche Verschriftlichung…

https://youtu.be/mms-JwexGjE

Denn da sagt Rey McGovern, was er von der Übernahme von Syrien durch einen bekannten Terroristen hält…

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